"Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board. For some they come in with the tide. For others they sail forever on the horizon, never out of sight, never landing until the Watcher turns his eyes away in resignation, his dreams mocked to death by Time. That is the life of men.
Now, women forget all those things they don't want to remember, and remember everything they don't want to forget. The dream is the truth. Then they act and do things accordingly."
I must admit that the first time I ever heard the story of Janie Starks, it was through the lens created by Oprah in the movie. I immediately identified with the dreamer, the survivor and eventually the rebirth of a woman.
Can we also have a moment of silence for the steaminess of Tea Cake in the movie?
Okay. Now that we have objectified a man on a blog exploring Christian Feminism, we can move on.
When I read the first paragraph, I immediately decided that this would be a book to be savored. I read it slower than any book I have ever loved. As a woman who has endured abuse from the men in her life, Their Eyes spoke to me on so many levels. I can relate to a jar tumbling off of the shelf and shattering. When Joe Starks first layed his hands on Janie, his image was forever changed. Can you relate to that experience?
Maya Angelou has been quoted to say, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
The moment Joe Starks is revealed, is the moment that Janie burrows into herself and becomes a" rut in the road". Reading those words caused a tremor in my chin. The tears came so easily. A woman abused quickly becomes less and less of herself. Even in normal relationships, women have a tendency of forgetting to care for themselves. Why do we forget our value? Why do we forget that the knowledge of our worth will bolster what we are able to give to the world?
Can you relate to that feeling of hiding a part of yourself to survive? I feel as women we are more likely to go inward to avoid confrontation and to enhance our chances of survival. The only problem with that is the time it takes to dig our living selves out of the graveyard.
When Joe is laying in his death bed and cannot release his control over Janie, I was enraptured. What causes a man to need to control a woman beyond the need to love her? If love cannot be taken but only give, where does that idea come from? How can a man ever experience "true love" if he will not love a woman as she is living fully?
I love when Janie says that the grieving should last only as long as the grief does. This leads me to think of how often we mold our reactions and our behavior around the cast set by our society. We feel guilty if we don't cry at our child's kindergarten performance and bad if we do.
I love that it took Janie no time at all to release her hair, to lay in the grass, to laugh and to re-bloom. It seems like when Tea Cake entered her life, she was actively allowing herself to enjoy life. She was choosing what felt right and good in her own eyes.
What did you think of all of the loose lipped gossipers in this story? I found it interesting that even in a book written about a woman in the early 1900's, women were another woman's harshest critics. There truly is nothing new under the sun. What do you think motivates such judgement and harsh criticism in women towards other women?
My opinion is that those not living their fullest life will judge out of jealousy. In an effort to make their life feel fuller. ....Kind of like a push up bra. I know. I wear one. I nursed. Three times. lol
What about Janie's relationship to Tea Cake and the fact that eventually, he smacked her too? Why didn't his jar fall off the shelf? Mine kind of did when I read this passage. Their relationship was not perfect and neither was Tea Cake or Janie, but they loved each other wildly and they lived completely. I love that part of the story. Why did Zora (we are on a first name basis now) decide to throw in that slap?
After Janie kills Tea Cake to save herself from his rabid rage she goes back to Eatonville. She is subject to the disdain and judgement of her community. I find this to be so courageous. She is still choosing to be who she is, where she is.
I think that these words are defining of the story and a call to all women.
"you got tuh go there tuh know there...Two things everybody got tuh do fuh theyselves. They got tuh go tuh God, and they got tuh find out about livin' fuh theyselves."
And finally,
"So much of life in its meshes! She called in her soul to come and see."
Feel free to chime in on the loads of questions above or give an insight about what touched your heart the most reading this book. I only chose portions of the book that spoke to me. Their Eyes Were Watching God will remain one of my favorites. I read it ever so slowly because the lessons are clear and potent for a woman like me.
Peace and Grace,
Tashmica :)
I tried not to be the first one to respond...I really did. I couldn't hold back, though! So I'll just respond "a little bit."
ReplyDeleteFirst, so funny - the comment about objectifying poor Tea Cake.
I did not get Joe Starks. At all. I don't know if Zora (can I be on a first name basis with her too?) did this on purpose, and if she did, I think it's brilliant - I felt disoriented and detached for much of the storytelling that included him. Except for the times I was angry at him.
You are right on, in my opinion, about women not taking care of themselves - of burying parts of themselves in order to keep the machine that is their world running smoothly. Is that conditioned? Women often forget to embrace the joy in life and connect to those parts of them that are their essence. I wonder if Zora had Janie be able to find choose a man like Tea Cake AFTER she figured out who she was and what she wanted; she was able to accept the gift of his relationship because she chose him for the right reasons.
Cynthia Enloe is not my favorite feminist, but she said something in an interview once about grief that I thought was so insightful. She said "Maybe people who don't have much power...have to search for a way to make a public expression of grief that won't be misinterpreted - that somebody else won't co-opt, expropriate, exploit. Women are in that position so often, because their ideas about grief are not taken very seriously, even if their expressions are."
Gossip. Women hurting each other. There is so much to say about that. I'll leave that to someone else, except to say that it makes me examine the times I have stooped to gossip or criticize. Never proud moments, usually done out of a bad or hurting place.
I wondered about that Tea Cake smacking Janie thing too. The best I came up with: it was not a pattern. Did Zora intentionally want to point out that this was different, an errant mistake? To show the difference between humans, even in loving and wholesome relationships, doing things to hurt one another occasionally, in contrast with a dysfunctional relationship where hurt is deliberately and methodically afflicted?
WHY did Zora have to have Tea Cake get rabies and Janie had to kill the man who really loved her?! Booo. But, I believe it was to show that Janie could still be strong and whole without him. He was an agent in her healing and a gift, but he wasn't the sum of her life.
Did anyone else think about why Zora chose not to give Janie children? 3 relationships, no children, no mention of the thought of children, the absence of children, etc. Do you think this was deliberate? I always am curious about how characters take shape - are they the product of points the author wants to make, or if the character just takes on a life of their own, etc.
The choice to go back to the community - I like to think it was because her friend was there:)
Your questions were so intriguing I just had to get in here and comment. Now I will go try to get my kitchen clean before my kids get home. So I can make dinner and mess it up again.
Thanks Tash - love it!
Thanks, Tashmica, for your insight. And, Tiff, as always your questions and knowledge expand my mind. Like Janie's friend said she grew by just listening to her. That's how I feel when I'm with you.
ReplyDeleteI was initially very saddened by the story in the prologue of my version. It spoke of Ms. Hurston's rejection from the black community of writers. It said she was ousted as a traitor because of Their Eyes and never wrote another substantial piece after that. She died in a welfare home and was buried in an unmarked, segregated, grave. I'm sure not too unlike the ones she wrote of after the hurricane. It was Alice Walker who revived her name, found her grave, and brought Their Eyes to it's intended glory.
Just the story of Ms. Hurston's struggle saddens me. Like Janie, a beautiful woman often feels so ugly. We believe what the gossipers have to say even when their words are lies.
I pray that we can all look beyond those words and have a Tea Cake to remind us of our worth.
To answer your question, Tiff, I did wonder about the absence of any children and how it was not discussed.
I wasn't, however, impacted as you both were by Tea Cake's indiscretion. I guess, rather, I felt that it would have been more out the ordinary if there was no violence. Evidence of this was in the discussion between him and the one man about how bruises show more easily on Janie's skin. The conversation flowed so easily for both of them it seemed to be of the everyday talk. Does that make sense?
A beautiful book, I'm glad I finally took the time to fall in love with it. Even just the first few paragraphs are ear candy made of metaphors and mind pictures.
OK, I haven't finished yet. I haven't read the post or the comments yet. By the end of the weekend, I'll chime in with my two cents. Sorry for being delinquent!!!
ReplyDeletehaven't finished either... sorry. I didn't want to read the post/comments until I finished.
ReplyDeleteI'm "really" delinquent.
Thank you so much, ladies, for being so diligent.